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	<title>Comments on: Pyling on: Birding with the Pyle guides</title>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://thedrinkingbirdblog.com/2010/01/15/pyling-on-birding-with-the-pyle-guides/#comment-3670</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 02:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Tim - I beg to differ.  Raptors begin on page 391 of Part II.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim &#8211; I beg to differ.  Raptors begin on page 391 of Part II.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Kita</title>
		<link>http://thedrinkingbirdblog.com/2010/01/15/pyling-on-birding-with-the-pyle-guides/#comment-3669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Kita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 22:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your review is incorrect regarding inclusion of Raptors. There are no Raptors in Volumes l or ll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your review is incorrect regarding inclusion of Raptors. There are no Raptors in Volumes l or ll.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://thedrinkingbirdblog.com/2010/01/15/pyling-on-birding-with-the-pyle-guides/#comment-2030</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Seabrooke - I find myself in the same situation with Pyle as you did initially.  Th information available is amazing, but there&#039;s absolutely a learning curve in figuring out how to understand it. 

Your layman&#039;s guide to Pyle looks great, I may pass it on for some friends at the state Museum to use when they do banding workshops.  Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Seabrooke &#8211; I find myself in the same situation with Pyle as you did initially.  Th information available is amazing, but there&#8217;s absolutely a learning curve in figuring out how to understand it. </p>
<p>Your layman&#8217;s guide to Pyle looks great, I may pass it on for some friends at the state Museum to use when they do banding workshops.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Seabrooke</title>
		<link>http://thedrinkingbirdblog.com/2010/01/15/pyling-on-birding-with-the-pyle-guides/#comment-2027</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seabrooke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The other nickname Pyle sometimes gets is &quot;the bander&#039;s bible&quot;. It&#039;s true it&#039;s the last word on a tricky identification when one&#039;s banding. I recall when I was first learning to band, turning to my trainer for confirmation or to ask a question, and his response would be, &quot;Well, what does Pyle say?&quot; Oh, how that infuriated me! I didn&#039;t understand the jargon Pyle used, it was like reading a technical manual for something I was only familiar with in laymen&#039;s terms, so it was frustrating to try to use the book. It was much easier to just ask my trainer - after all, he was sitting right there supervising me!

I struggled with it the whole fall season. I came to be a competent bander by the end of it - my trainer would leave me to band on my own on slow days while he was checking nets, sometimes, though I still had some ways to go before I could apply for my permit. But I never felt comfortable with the book. That winter, &#039;round about January when I started feeling The Itch, I pulled out Pyle and decided to wade through the introductory material and finally teach myself the darned thing. It took a little while, and I sat there with my pencil underlining relevant lines and putting an asterisk beside important passages. I recall finally having an &quot;a-ha!&quot; moment in doing that, where all the things I learned in the fall finally made sense. Like having a board with puzzle pieces that fit into slots, and you&#039;ve got them approximately lined up, but it just requires a little shake to make them all fall into place.

What was needed, I thought, was a version of Pyle&#039;s introductions that was directed at the layman. Preferably with photos. There was a version of this already, sort of, in Dan Froelich&#039;s companion guide, but I didn&#039;t think he did a very good job with it. So that winter I sat down and wrote my own, using photos I&#039;d taken over the fall. I went back and revised with additional photos taken the following year, finally polishing it up in early 2005. I printed two copies at the print shop, at a cost of $25 each. By that point I had my permit and was starting to train new banders myself. I&#039;d start them out with lending them one of the printed guides.

I&#039;ve been thinking about making the guide available through a print-on-demand site like Blurb, but haven&#039;t gotten around to it, mostly because I wrote it so long ago I wonder if I should go back and replace some of the images with newer ones, though that would require updating a lot of the text, which I find offputting.

If you&#039;re interested, you can download the pdf here: http://www.seabrookeleckie.ca/BandingGuide.pdf

It&#039;s big, 8 meg, because it&#039;s full of colour photos. It&#039;s aimed at banders, but everything it says is relevant to the birder, too. It might help with making Pyle&#039;s language a little easier to read (or, it might not offer anything you haven&#039;t figured out for yourself already! who knows). These days the terminology is so ingrained that anytime I see short forms like PA Day for schools, I read it as &quot;prealternate day&quot; out of habit.

That comment got a little out of hand. :) Mostly I had intended to say that I agree about the Pyle guides - incredibly useful for those details that standard guides don&#039;t go into. Now that I&#039;m not banding regularly the guide doesn&#039;t see as much use, but I still pull it down from time to time to look something up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other nickname Pyle sometimes gets is &#8220;the bander&#8217;s bible&#8221;. It&#8217;s true it&#8217;s the last word on a tricky identification when one&#8217;s banding. I recall when I was first learning to band, turning to my trainer for confirmation or to ask a question, and his response would be, &#8220;Well, what does Pyle say?&#8221; Oh, how that infuriated me! I didn&#8217;t understand the jargon Pyle used, it was like reading a technical manual for something I was only familiar with in laymen&#8217;s terms, so it was frustrating to try to use the book. It was much easier to just ask my trainer &#8211; after all, he was sitting right there supervising me!</p>
<p>I struggled with it the whole fall season. I came to be a competent bander by the end of it &#8211; my trainer would leave me to band on my own on slow days while he was checking nets, sometimes, though I still had some ways to go before I could apply for my permit. But I never felt comfortable with the book. That winter, &#8217;round about January when I started feeling The Itch, I pulled out Pyle and decided to wade through the introductory material and finally teach myself the darned thing. It took a little while, and I sat there with my pencil underlining relevant lines and putting an asterisk beside important passages. I recall finally having an &#8220;a-ha!&#8221; moment in doing that, where all the things I learned in the fall finally made sense. Like having a board with puzzle pieces that fit into slots, and you&#8217;ve got them approximately lined up, but it just requires a little shake to make them all fall into place.</p>
<p>What was needed, I thought, was a version of Pyle&#8217;s introductions that was directed at the layman. Preferably with photos. There was a version of this already, sort of, in Dan Froelich&#8217;s companion guide, but I didn&#8217;t think he did a very good job with it. So that winter I sat down and wrote my own, using photos I&#8217;d taken over the fall. I went back and revised with additional photos taken the following year, finally polishing it up in early 2005. I printed two copies at the print shop, at a cost of $25 each. By that point I had my permit and was starting to train new banders myself. I&#8217;d start them out with lending them one of the printed guides.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about making the guide available through a print-on-demand site like Blurb, but haven&#8217;t gotten around to it, mostly because I wrote it so long ago I wonder if I should go back and replace some of the images with newer ones, though that would require updating a lot of the text, which I find offputting.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested, you can download the pdf here: <a href="http://www.seabrookeleckie.ca/BandingGuide.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.seabrookeleckie.ca/BandingGuide.pdf</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s big, 8 meg, because it&#8217;s full of colour photos. It&#8217;s aimed at banders, but everything it says is relevant to the birder, too. It might help with making Pyle&#8217;s language a little easier to read (or, it might not offer anything you haven&#8217;t figured out for yourself already! who knows). These days the terminology is so ingrained that anytime I see short forms like PA Day for schools, I read it as &#8220;prealternate day&#8221; out of habit.</p>
<p>That comment got a little out of hand. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Mostly I had intended to say that I agree about the Pyle guides &#8211; incredibly useful for those details that standard guides don&#8217;t go into. Now that I&#8217;m not banding regularly the guide doesn&#8217;t see as much use, but I still pull it down from time to time to look something up.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://thedrinkingbirdblog.com/2010/01/15/pyling-on-birding-with-the-pyle-guides/#comment-2015</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 01:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Grant- Subspecic identification is, in my opinion, the best thing about the Pyle guides.  It&#039;s excellent for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Grant- Subspecic identification is, in my opinion, the best thing about the Pyle guides.  It&#8217;s excellent for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant McCreary</title>
		<link>http://thedrinkingbirdblog.com/2010/01/15/pyling-on-birding-with-the-pyle-guides/#comment-2014</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grant McCreary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like other commenters, I&#039;ve considered getting these for a while but just haven&#039;t done so yet. I guess I was never convinced that they would be very helpful to a &quot;regular&quot; birder. So thanks for your perspective. 
One question - how useful is it in sorting out subspecies?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like other commenters, I&#8217;ve considered getting these for a while but just haven&#8217;t done so yet. I guess I was never convinced that they would be very helpful to a &#8220;regular&#8221; birder. So thanks for your perspective.<br />
One question &#8211; how useful is it in sorting out subspecies?</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://thedrinkingbirdblog.com/2010/01/15/pyling-on-birding-with-the-pyle-guides/#comment-2013</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@John- It&#039;s very good for illustrating why certain birds look the way they do, but you could probably get by without it.  It&#039;s a really interesting reference, but probably unessential for most birders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John- It&#8217;s very good for illustrating why certain birds look the way they do, but you could probably get by without it.  It&#8217;s a really interesting reference, but probably unessential for most birders.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://thedrinkingbirdblog.com/2010/01/15/pyling-on-birding-with-the-pyle-guides/#comment-2012</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like a Pyle because it seems like it would help sort out the occasional odd-looking bird. But it&#039;s not a high priority for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like a Pyle because it seems like it would help sort out the occasional odd-looking bird. But it&#8217;s not a high priority for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://thedrinkingbirdblog.com/2010/01/15/pyling-on-birding-with-the-pyle-guides/#comment-2010</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Nick- Yeah, they&#039;d be right up your alley.  And Part II is clearly more relevant for field birders than Part I, it&#039;s really interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick- Yeah, they&#8217;d be right up your alley.  And Part II is clearly more relevant for field birders than Part I, it&#8217;s really interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading this made me wonder why I don&#039;t already own these awesome books I&#039;ve known about for years. I especially want to get a look at that new second volume.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this made me wonder why I don&#8217;t already own these awesome books I&#8217;ve known about for years. I especially want to get a look at that new second volume.</p>
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